Testimony of Dr. Carol Rosin
December 2000
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Dr. Carol Rosin was the first woman
corporate manager of Fairchild Industries and was spokesperson for Wernher
Von Braun in the last years of his life. She founded the Institute for
Security and Cooperation in Outer Space in Washington DC and has testified
before Congress on many occasions about space based weapons. Von Braun
revealed to Dr. Rosin a plan to justify weapons in spaced based on hoaxing
an extraterrestrial threat. She was also present at meetings in the ‘70s
when the scenario for the Gulf War of the ‘90s was planned.
CR: Dr. Carol Rosin (picture;speaking) SG: Dr. Steven Greer
(to the right for CR)
CR: My name is
Carol Rosin. I am an educator who became the first woman corporate manager
of an Aerospace Company, Fairchild Industries. I am a Space and Missile
Defense Consultant and have consulted to a number of companies,
organizations, and government departments, even the intelligence community.
I was a consultant to TRW working on the MX missile, so I was part of that
strategy, which turned out to be a role model for how to sell space-based
weapons to the public. The MX missile is yet another weapon system that we
didn’t need.
I founded the Institute for Security and
Cooperation in Outer Space, a Washington DC based think tank. I am an author
and have testified before Congress and the President’s Commission on Space.
When I was a Corporate Manager of
Fairchild Industries from 1974 through 1977, I met the late Dr. Wernher Von
Braun. We first met in early 1974. At that time, Von Braun was dying of
cancer but he assured me that he would live a few more years to tell me
about the game that was being played- that game being the effort to
weaponize space, to control the Earth from space and space itself. Von Braun
had a history of working with weapons systems. He escaped from Germany to
come to this country and became a Vice President of Fairchild Industries
when I had met him. Von Braun’s purpose during the last years of his life,
his dying years, was to educate the public and decision-makers about why
space-based weapons are dumb, dangerous, destabilizing, too costly,
unnecessary, unworkable, and an undesirable idea, and about the alternatives
that are available.
As practically a deathbed speech, he
educated me about those concepts and who the players were in this game. He
gave me the responsibility, since he was dying, of continuing this effort to
prevent the weaponization of outer space. When Wernher Von Braun was dying
of cancer, he asked me to be his spokesperson, to appear on occasions when
he was too ill to speak. I did this.
What was most interesting to me was a
repetitive sentence that he said to me over and over again during the
approximately four years that I had the opportunity to work with him. He
said the strategy that was being used to educate the public and decision
makers was to use scare tactics… That was how we identify an enemy.
The strategy that Wernher Von Braun taught
me was that first the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy.
In fact, in 1974, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told
that they had "killer satellites". We were told that they were
coming to get us and control us – that they were "Commies."
Then terrorists would be identified, and
that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then we were going
to identify third-world country "crazies." We now call them
Nations of Concern. But he said that would be the third enemy against whom
we would build space-based weapons.
The next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this
point he kind of chuckled the first time he said it. Asteroids- against
asteroids we are going to build space-based weapons.
And the funniest one of all was what he
called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final scare. And over
and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving
speeches for him, he would bring up that last card. "And remember
Carol, the last card is the alien card. We are going to have to build
space-based weapons against aliens and all of it is a lie."
I think I was too naïve at that time to
know the seriousness of the nature of the spin that was being put on the
system. And now, the pieces are starting to fall into place. We are building
a space-based weapons system on a premise that is a lie, a spin. Wernher Von
Braun was trying to hint that to me back in the early 70’s and right up
until the moment when he died in 1977.
What he told me was that there is an
accelerated effort in place. He didn’t mention a timeline but he said that
it was going to be speeding up faster than anybody could possibly imagine.
That the effort to put weapons into space was not only based on a lie but
would accelerate past the point of people even understanding it until it was
already up there and too late.
When Von Braun was dying in front of me,
the very first day that I met him, he had tubes draining out of his side. He
was tapping on the desk telling me, "You will come to Fairchild."
I was a schoolteacher. He said, "You will come to Fairchild and you
will be responsible for keeping weapons out of space." The way he said
it with this intenseness in his eyes, and added that very first day, the
first time I met him, that space-based weapons were a dangerous,
destabilizing, too costly, unnecessary, untestable, unworkable idea.
The last card that was being held was the
extraterrestrial enemy card. The intensity with which he said that, made me
realize that he knew something that he was too afraid to mention. He was too
afraid to talk about it. He would not tell me the details. I am not sure
that I would have absorbed them if he had told me the details or even
believed him in 1974. But there was no question that that man knew and had a
need to know, I found out later.
There is no doubt in my mind that Wernher
Von Braun knew about the extraterrestrial issue. He explained to me the
reasons why weapons were going to be put into space, the enemies against
whom we were going to build these weapons, and that all of that was a lie.
He mentioned that extraterrestrials were going to be identified as the final
enemy against whom we were going to build space-based weapons back in 1974.
The way he said it to me, there was no doubt in my mind that he knew
something that he was too afraid to talk about.
Wernher Von Braun never spoke to me about
any of the details that he knew related to extraterrestrials except that one
day extraterrestrials were going to be identified as an enemy against whom
we are going to build an enormous space-based weapons system. Wernher Von
Braun actually told me that the spin was a lie – that the premise for
space-based weaponry, the reasons that were going to be given, the enemies
that we were going to identify – were all based on a lie.
I have been tracking the space-based
weapons issue for about 26 years. I have debated Generals and Congressional
Representatives. I have testified before the Congress and the Senate. I have
met with people in over 100 countries. But I have not been able to identify
who the people are who are making this space-based weapons system happen. I
see the news. I see the administrative decisions being made. I know that
they are all based on lies and greed.
But I have yet to be able to identify who
the people are. That is after tracking this issue for 26 years. I know that
there are big secrets being kept and I know that it is time the public and
decision-makers pay attention to the people who are now going to be
disclosing the truth. Then we need to make some definite changes and build a
system in space that will benefit every single person, and all of the
animals, and the environment of this planet. The technology is there. The
solutions to Earth’s urgent and long-term potential problems are there. I
have a feeling that once we start studying this extraterrestrial issue, all
of the questions are going to be answered that I have had for 26 years.
But I have concluded that it is based on a
few people making a lot of money and gaining power. It is about ego. It is
not about our essence and who we really are on this planet and loving each
other and being at peace and cooperating. It isn’t about using technology
to solve problems and heal people in the planet. It isn’t about that. It
is about a few people who really are playing an old, dangerous, costly game
for their own pocketbooks and power struggle. That is all it is.
I believe that this entire space-based
weapons game is initiated right here in the United States of America. What I
hope is that with this information that is being disclosed, the new
administration will to do what is right. That is to transform the war game
into a space game so that we use the technologies that are available not
just as spin-offs of war technology, but as direct technological
applications to build a cooperative space system that will benefit the
entire world and that will allow us to communicate with the extraterrestrial
cultures that are obviously out there.
Who would benefit from these space-based
weapons? They are the people who work in that arena, people in the military,
in industries, in universities and labs, in the intelligence community. This
is not just in the United States but it is worldwide. This is a worldwide
cooperative system. Wars are cooperative. Just as peace will be when it
breaks out. But right now there are a lot of people benefiting. This is what
our economy has been based on in this country and spreading around the
world- war. People suffer as a result. It is not fair. It never has been.
People have screamed: "out of swords let us build plow shares, let’s
have peace and hold hands around the world," but it hasn’t worked
because too many people are benefiting. Not only are they benefiting
financially, but from what my experience is there are people who actually
believe that Armageddon should happen so we have to have these wars.
So it is going from the pocketbook, to the
religious right: some people actually believe that we have to have wars for
these religious reasons. There are people who just love war. I have met
warriors who just love to go to war. Then there are the good people, the
soldiers, who just take orders. They have to feed their children and send
them to college so they want to keep their jobs. People in laboratories have
told me that they don’t want to work on these technologies for war but if
they don’t they won’t get a paycheck. Who is going to pay them? But what
I see is that there are not only dual uses for these technologies but there
are many uses for the same technologies.
We can build space hospitals, schools,
hotels, laboratories, farms, industries. It may sound far out but if we
don’t do that we are going to build battle stations and weapons pointed
down all of our throats and into space. Apparently we have been doing some
of that already. We have a choice now that can be made. We can all benefit
– all of the people in the military industrial complex, in the
intelligence community, in universities and labs, in the United States and
all over the world – we can all benefit. We can just transform that
industry so easily with just a decision based on our highest consciousness,
our spirituality, and on the fact that we have no choice unless we all want
to die. And we don’t. So we can all benefit financially, spiritually,
socially, psychologically; it is technologically and politically feasible to
transform this game now and everybody will benefit.
In 1977 I was at a meeting in Fairchild
Industries in a conference room called the War Room. In that room were a lot
of charts on the walls with enemies, identified enemies. There were other
more obscure names, names like Saddam Hussein and Khadafi. But we were
talking then about terrorists, the potential terrorists. No one had ever
talked about this before but this was the next stage after the Russians
against whom we were going to build these space-based weapons. I stood up in
this meeting and I said, "Excuse me, why are we talking about these
potential enemies against whom we are going to build space-based weapons if,
in fact, we know that they are not the enemy at this time?"
Well, they continued the conversation
about how they were going to antagonize these enemies and that at some
point, there was going to be a war in the Gulf, a Gulf War. Now this is
1977, 1977! And they were talking about creating a war in the Gulf Region
when there was 25 billion dollars in the space-based weapons program that
had yet to be identified. It wasn’t called the Strategic Defense
Initiative, at least. Not until 1983. This weapons system, then, had
obviously been going on for some time and I didn’t know anything about. So
I stood up in this meeting in 1977 and said, "I would like to know why
we are talking about space-based weapons against these enemies. I would like
to know more about this. Would someone please tell me what this is
about?" Nobody answered. They just went on with this meeting as though
I hadn’t said anything.
Suddenly I stood up in the room and said,
"If nobody can tell me why you are planning a war in the Gulf when
there is a certain amount of money in a budget so that you can create the
next set of weapons systems that will be the beginning of the sell to the
public about why we need space-based weapons, then consider this: my
resignation. And you will not hear from me again!" And nobody said a
word, because they were planning a war in the Gulf and it happened exactly
as they planned it, on time.
SG: Who was at
this meeting?
CR: The room was
filled with people in the revolving door game. There were people that I had
seen once in a military uniform and other times in a gray suit and an
industry outfit. These people play a revolving door game. They work as
consultants, industry people, and/or military and intelligence people. They
work in the industries and they revolve themselves through these doors and
right into government positions.
I stood up in this meeting and asked if I
was hearing correctly. That when there was 25 billion dollars expended in
the space-based weapons budget, that there was going to be a war in the
Gulf, stimulated, created, so that they could then sell the next phase of
weapons to the public and the decision-makers. This war was going to be
created so that they could dump the old weapons and create a whole new set
of weapons. So I had to resign from that position. I could no longer work in
that industry.
In about 1990 I was sitting in my living
room looking at the money that had been spent on space-based weapons
research and development programs and I realized that it had come to that
number, about 25 billion dollars, and I said to my husband, "I am now
going to stop everything. I am now going to stop and sit and watch CNN
television and I am going to wait for the war to happen." My husband
said, "Well, you have finally gone over the edge. You have flipped
out." Friends said, "You have really gone too far this time. There
is not going to be a war in the Gulf, nobody is talking about a war in the
Gulf."
I said, "There is going to be a war
in the Gulf. I am going to sit here and wait for the war in the Gulf."
And it happened right on schedule.
As part of the war game in the Gulf, we in
the public were told that the United States was successful in shooting down
Russian Scud Missiles. We were rationalizing new budgets based on that
success. In fact, we found out later, after the budgets were approved for
the next phase of weapons, that it was a lie. We did not have successful
shoot-downs the way we were told. It was all a lie, just to get more money
put in the budget to make more weapons.
I was one of the first people to go
independently to Russia when I heard that they had "killer
satellites."
[See the testimony of Dr. Paul Czysz. SG]
When I went to Russia in the early 70’s,
I found out that they didn’t have killer satellites, that it was a lie. In
fact, the Russian leaders and people wanted peace. They wanted to cooperate
with the United States and with the people of the world.
Another time I called Saddam Hussein when
he was lighting his oil fields on fire. My husband was in the kitchen while
I was making this phone call. I got a call back from his First Attaché with
Saddam Hussein nearby and he asked, "Are you a reporter? Are you an
agent? Why do you want to know?"
I said, "No. I am just a citizen who
helped to start the movement to prevent the weaponization of outer space and
I have found that a lot of stories that I have been told about weapons
systems and the enemies are not true. I wanted to find out what would
satisfy Saddam Hussein so he would stop making these oil fields catch fire
and stop antagonizing people." He said, "Well, nobody has ever
asked him that question, what he wants."
…
So when I hear that there is a possible
threat of extraterrestrials – and I look at the history of thousands of
years of possible ET visitations, and hear the disclosures of honest
military-intelligence-industry people who have had experiences with UFO’s,
with crashes and landings, with live and dead bodies of extraterrestrial
beings – I know it is a lie. And if I am ever told that these are enemies
against whom we have to build space-based weapons systems, based on my own
personal experience of having worked in the military industrial complex on
weapons systems and military strategy, I am going to know it is a lie. It is
a lie.
Not only will I not believe it, but I am
going to go out as loudly as I can and tell everyone to take a look. They
[the ET’s] have not taken us away yet. We are still here after thousands
of years of visits. If in fact they are still visiting us now and we have
not been harmed then we have to look at this as something that is not a
hostile occurrence.
It would be my hope and my intention to do
everything I could to work with people who are working to communicate with
and cooperate with these extraterrestrial beings. They are clearly not
hostile. We are here. That is enough proof for me.
There is no limit to how people can choose
to live on this planet. We have a chance to do that and I think that the
window is closing rapidly. I don’t think that we have much time in which
to make that decision. We are too close in too many ways to having some
horrible disaster happen, having some sort of war take place, whether it is
from high technology or an exotic weapons system.
We need leadership and it has to start
with the United States President and that is who we all have to reach. If
you are international, if you are around the world, if you are in the United
States of America, whether you are from any party, any belief system or
religion- the United States Commander in Chief, the President of the United
States is the person that needs to be reached. We need to say that we want
an ultimate, comprehensive, verifiable ban on all space-based weapons.
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another interview with her on http://www.nancyredstar.com/wmd/Anti_Satellite.htm
| President George H. W. Bush
wanted a war in Iraq. Like Crassus, George Bush is motivated
by money. Specifically oil money. But with the OPEC alliance
failing to keep limits on oil production in the Mideast, the
market was being glutted with oil pumped from underneath
Iraq, which sat over roughly 1/3 of the oil reserves of the
entire region. |
| George wanted a war to stop
that flow of oil, to keep prices (and profits) from falling
any further than they already had. But like Roosevelt, he
needed the "other side" to make the first move.
Iraq had long been trying
to acquire greater access to the Persian Gulf, and felt
limited confined a narrow strip of land along Kuwait's
northern border, which placed Iraqi interests in close
proximity with hostile Iran. George Bush, who had been
covertly arming Iraq during its war with Iran, sent word via
April
Glaspie that the United States would not intervene if
Saddam Hussein grabbed a larger part of Kuwait. Saddam fell
for the bait and invaded.
Of course, Americans were
not about to send their sons and daughters to risk their
lives for petroleum products. So George Bush arranged a hoax,
using a public relations firm which has grown rich on
taxpayer money by being most industrious and creative liars!
The PR firm concocted a monumental fraud in which the
daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States,
went on TV pretending to be a nurse, and related a horror
story in which Iraqi troops looted the incubators from a
Kuwaiti hospital, leaving the premature babies on the cold
floor to die. The media, part of the swindle from the start,
never bothered asking why the "nurse" didn't just
pick the babies up and wrap them in blankets or something.
Enraged by the incubator
story, Americans supported operation Desert Storm, which
never removed Saddam Hussein from power but which did take
Kuwait's oil off of the market for almost 2 years and
limited Iraq's oil exports to this very day. That our sons
and daughters came home with serious and lingering medical
illnesses was apparently not too great a price to pay for
increased oil profits.
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